Monday, February 14, 2011

Trainspotter’s lesson

Today I deleted a rude comment that an anonymous commenter posted in my previous entry about The Butler Plan:

It’s a fucking retarded plan that will never accomplish anything. White racialists need to stop thinking about controlling territory and start thinking about controlling important social institutions.

I removed it because the anonymous commenter seems to be ignorant that (1) without an ethno-state whites will continue to mix and mix and mix until they virtually dissapear in the melting pot (as happened in Mexico half a millenium after the Spanish Conquest), and (2) ignorant also of the content of the longest entry of this blog, where the belief that “activism” or “a march through the institutions” for the purpose of controlling them was proven quixotic.

Last year Trainspotter (penname) gave us a superb lesson at the comments section of the nationalist site Occidental Dissent. Although Trainspotter had to use more than 30,000 words to convey his point to the OD commentariat, he himself boiled down the crux of his argument to a mere 390 words.

The following abstract of that long-winded entry explains why “controlling important social institutions” to form an ethno-state and thus save Caucasians goes beyond the pale for the current zeitgeist; and why, I would add, we must look for more unconventional ways to avoid extinction (such as The Butler Plan).

Trainspotter wrote:

1. There are well over 100 million non-whites in this country [the U.S.]. Expelling them would be an enormous task, requiring tremendous strife and tears. Normal, sentient human beings understand this. People do not take drastic steps unless they are convinced that they are necessary. They will exhaust other alternatives first. This is normal and natural.

2. Even if you say, “Well, fine, we won’t expel 100 millions non-whites from the country. We’ll break away and form our own country instead, where not nearly so many people will be affected” [this is the Butler Plan]. Doesn’t matter. Functionally, it’s the same as option 1. As long as ZOG is powerful, it’s not letting us go peacefully, no matter what. We aren’t allowed to have an all white pizza parlor, much less an all white nation. As long as ZOG is strong, it would take enormous suffering and pain to create an all-white homeland, even a small one. We can focus on fairness, and try to create a homeland where it will displace the fewest people. Doesn’t matter. Our opponents aren’t interested in fairness. They want us dead.

So we’re back to struggle and strife, tears and suffering. Normal whites understand this, at least implicitly. They know the System would do whatever it could to destroy us, and that this would be true no matter how reasonable our proposals. See again point number 1: People do not take drastic steps unless they are convinced that they are necessary. They will exhaust other alternatives first. This is normal and natural. In the only context that they know, any effort to save whites from destruction would be considered drastic.

3. As the result of the above, white nationalists appear to normal people to be offering a solution that will end in nothing but tears. It doesn’t even matter what the particular solution is: normal whites know that the System will oppose us no matter what. I’m shocked, shocked that more don’t sign up [doing quixotic activism — sarcasm]. Truly amazing.

In short, you can’t offer a drastic solution without first convincing significant numbers/elements that it is necessary, that more moderate solutions won’t work. So what do you advocate, Hunter? Don’t convince anybody, intellectuals are a waste of time.

Sounds like a winning formula to me. Anyone that doesn’t understand the above points is beyond hope, and should switch over to World of Warcraft post-haste.

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

I wrote the "rude" comment.

These secessionist ideas are cuckoo. I see no evidence that the system is going to break down - that's just wishful thinking. It's not going to happen.

Attempting to build a secessionist movement while all of our institutions - including the military with all its tanks, aircraft, missiles, nukes, etc. - are effectively in Jewish hands is obviously absurd, and the people who propose this stuff should not be taken seriously.

The Russians slowly took their country back over from within, and we can do the same.

Chechar said...

@ “I see no evidence that the system is going to break down”

Have you seen the video of the previous entry? Demography is destiny. Unless the native Europeans change their ways Europe will be Muslim later in this century. That’s not wishful thinking. The system will break down for sure.

@ “Attempting to build a secessionist movement while...”

Once we reach the crisis depicted dramatically in the video most Body-snatched white Pods will transform themselves back to their original, human form. MacDonald predicts a change in the western psyche when they become minority in their own countries. (Only then will a revolution be doable.)

@ “The Russians slowly took their country back over from within, and we can do the same.”

You haven’t read Mark Steyn’s America Alone, have you? Russia (or perhaps France) will be the first white country which turns Muslim. In a few years Muslims will become majority in the Russian army (cf. also the Fora TV interview of Steyn available in the internet).

Anonymous said...

So when Muslims become a majority in Europe, Jews will somehow lose their control of American institutions? I don't follow. Must be because I haven't watched the video (yet). In any case, that's quite a ways off.

I looked at America Alone at the bookstore once. I was kinda put off by the bitching about how people who pointed out that neocons were mostly Jews were anti-Semitic.

Regardless of the demographic situation in Russia, the Russians have managed to regain political control of their system from Jews without "the system breaking down". It can be done.

Chechar said...

@ So when Muslims become a majority in Europe, Jews will somehow lose their control of American institutions?

No: when they become a majority in Europe and the natives start to be a persecuted minority in some cities whites will become ethnically conscious (this is the message of the video).

@ I was kinda put off by the bitching about how people who pointed out that neocons were mostly Jews were anti-Semitic.

I never said that I shared Steyn’s neo-conservatism, only that his demographic stats are sound.

@ Regardless of the demographic situation in Russia, the Russians have managed to regain political control of their system from Jews without "the system breaking down".

Actually, the communist system broke down before the Russians finally got it.

Anonymous said...

No: when they become a majority in Europe and the natives start to be a persecuted minority in some cities whites will become ethnically conscious (this is the message of the video).

Maybe, maybe not. I don't see it as guaranteed. Whites are a minority in much of the US, and are leaving parts of the US in droves, without having become ethnically conscious in general (as it happens I did become ethnically conscious by living in such an area, but most Whites around me did not). Also look at South Africa. I do not see evidence for the idea that Whites will magically become ethnically conscious once conditions get bad enough.

And even if they do, that does not imply that they will automatically coalesce into an effective movement. An effective movement will require organizational structure. There is no getting around the difficult task of rebuilding or retaking social institutions.

Chechar said...

@ And even if they do, that does not imply that they will automatically coalesce into an effective movement.

That’s why Trainspotter is right: intellectuals should continue to spread WN ideas in the internet until a critical mass is reached (cf. my entry “Two Metaphors”).

@ An effective movement will require organizational structure.

And that’s why the Northwest Front is continually organizing.

@ There is no getting around the difficult task of rebuilding or retaking social institutions.

But you yourself said it: ZOG won’t let us go that easy. Even Stalin had to violently purge some Jews from the URSS after the Jews and the Georgian Stalin committed genocide against the native Russians.

I cannot imagine a scenario where native Americans will tear themselves off from the System’ mouth (again, see “Two Metaphors”) unless a catastrophe hits them badly. I have mentioned the Muslim problem. More speculative, but perhaps sound economics, are Peter Schiff’s predictions.

Anonymous said...

Well, whatever. I think a movement that gets anywhere is going to have to have some top-down support from inside the system. The Northwest Front will be crushed one way or another if it ever becomes a serious threat to Jewish power. It's really hard to imagine the system getting so weak that taking out Harold Covington becomes a problem. We live in the age of predator drones. But it's more likely Jews can just infiltrate the Northwest Front and destroy it from within.

I don't take Schiff and the hyperinflation crowd seriously. At least not in the near term. The dollar will probably go up and gold will probably go down. This stuff is just being played up to sell gold to dumb money (Fox News viewers and talk radio listeners) at ridiculously high prices. Note that Schiff and most of the people pushing this nonsense are Jews.

Chechar said...

I hate when Schiff talks about immigration, but I know non-Jews who subscribe to the dollar crash scenario within the next 25 years max.

Economics aside, if Eurabia gets really nasty in the following decades, white nationalism will have a chance to grow in America (presently it’s a mere embryo). If that window of opportunity gets opened—the convergence of two or more simultaneous catastrophes (Iran’s nukes, Islamic Egypt; the whole Middle East going jihadist against Israel)—, the NW scenario could become viable.

When I read the best novel of the Quartet I got the feeling that Covington’s scenario would be probable if a convergence of catastrophes do indeed take place along with the minimum human mass for revolutionary eruption at the other side of the Atlantic.

The embryo cannot fight now. But with the years it may grow if we care enough to make a historical difference. Michael O’Meara comes pretty handy at this point.