tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post4370779593541134127..comments2023-02-19T16:29:34.165+00:00Comments on The West’s darkest hour: Auster’s corollaryChecharhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07958061355210472570noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post-46955334950451058522010-02-19T03:53:24.718+00:002010-02-19T03:53:24.718+00:00I'm well aware that most jews are disgusted by...I'm well aware that most jews are disgusted by the suggestion that anyone's interests but their own matter, but I think Hermes did a great job of driving that point home.Tanstaaflhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10809764986911255031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post-61521386099368223222010-02-18T21:56:13.955+00:002010-02-18T21:56:13.955+00:00Neither attacking nor accepting Jews has made any ...Neither attacking nor accepting Jews has made any difference to the success of pro-White endeavors.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12775583719272089018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post-28037558181274766892010-02-18T18:29:32.697+00:002010-02-18T18:29:32.697+00:00Chechar, Mark Jaws, KumamotoJoe, and others, this ...Chechar, Mark Jaws, KumamotoJoe, and others, this thread is as good evidence as anything that it is pointless to try to debate or dialogue with anti-Semites. You simply have to shun and exclude them. I know it's tempting to reply to them, because if you do shun and exclude them they start crowing about how this vindicates them and proves that no one can answer their rock-solid arguments, and further, allows them to argue that the only reason their anti-Jew arguments can't gain any traction is that they're systematically censored. But the only alternative is to allow them to hijack every discussion into an anti-Jew-fest. Anti-Semites are like zombies: a formerly rational, reasonable person, whom it was once possible to dialogue and debate with, gets bitten and turns into a zombie, and from that point on all he can do is stagger along, arms outstreched, moaning "brains, brains, brains" (or "Jews, Jews, Jews" as the case may be.) The rational mind you once knew is gone and ain't coming back. There's no point in arguing with the zombie anymore; all you can do is get as far away from him as possible.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06103202406769794293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post-428125327385180282010-02-17T19:04:18.640+00:002010-02-17T19:04:18.640+00:00For those who have difficulties to read Tanstaafl’...For those who have difficulties to read Tanstaafl’s article with a black background, the same article is now available in <a href="http://www.toqonline.com/2010/02/the-first-law-of-jewish-influence/" rel="nofollow">TOQ Online</a>.Checharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07958061355210472570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post-50165546557047577572010-02-17T05:42:47.501+00:002010-02-17T05:42:47.501+00:00By the way, as long as we're linking posts abo...By the way, as long as we're linking posts about my wife (was that a rhetorical device, an intellectual rathole, or ad hominem?) a link readers here might find even more relevant is <a href="http://age-of-treason.blogspot.com/2010/02/first-law-of-jewish-influence.html" rel="nofollow">The First Law of Jewish Influence</a>.Tanstaaflhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10809764986911255031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post-55539760332043377412010-02-17T05:30:15.080+00:002010-02-17T05:30:15.080+00:00KumamotoJoe, I don't fail to capitalize jew, i...KumamotoJoe, I don't <i>fail</i> to capitalize jew, it's entirely on purpose. Auster already made a stink about it, and I answered him in <a href="http://age-of-treason.blogspot.com/2008/07/were-white-were-indigenous-get-used-to.html" rel="nofollow">We're White, We're Indigenous, Get Used to It</a>.<br /><br />I think I do a decent job addressing and dismantling Auster's arguments. In response he's provided many variations on what you've just written. "The intellectual rathole of anti-Semitism". "The burden of anti-Semitic blinders". He can't write Tanstaafl without tacking "serious anti-semite" on. You and he are obviously worried somebody might read what I have to say without semitic blinders on.<br /><br /><i>Auster criticizes Jews, and even, on occasion, criticizes them as Jews--<b>but only when it is warranted</b>.</i><br /><br />Who decides when it is warranted? You? Auster? Jews delight in criticizing Whites whenever they like, however they like. I don't need anyone's permission to think and write whatever pleases me, though I'm aware several popular and well-funded jewish organizations are working on fixing that.Tanstaaflhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10809764986911255031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post-53138382432652545322010-02-16T19:40:59.183+00:002010-02-16T19:40:59.183+00:00One way that anti-Semites identify themselves grap...One way that anti-Semites identify themselves graphically is their failure to capitalize the proper noun <i>Jew</i>.<br /><br />Lawrence Auster has done an outstanding job of identifying the rhetorical devices of anti-Semites, and has shown how their initially reasonable-seeming arguments lead, inevitably, to the intellectual rathole of anti-Semitism. <br /><br />He posted an entry with links to some germane articles, along with a link to Tanstaafl's revelation that his wife is ethnically half-Jewish, <a href="http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/015392.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />Anyone who reads Auster without the burden of anti-Semitic blinders can see that Auster criticizes Jews, and even, on occasion, criticizes them <i>as</i> Jews--<i>but only when it is warranted</i>. Compare this to Tanstaafl's comment where he say "<a href="http://age-of-treason.blogspot.com/2007/09/committing-pcs-most-mortal-sin.html" rel="nofollow">Jews are my enemy</a>."<br /><br />This comment consists mainly of verifiable statements: either someone wrote it, or he didn't. Watch Tanstaafl revlie me for my "ad hominem" attack on him--based on my quoting what <i>he himself</i> has written.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14940822797037521146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post-57260639519512664062010-02-14T15:23:37.359+00:002010-02-14T15:23:37.359+00:00Hesperado writes:
in order to be applicable, Jews...Hesperado writes:<br /><br /><i>in order to be applicable, Jews would have to be behaving in negative ways that form half of the mechanism of Auster's First Law</i><br /><br />Yes.<br /><br />Hesperado continues:<br /><br /><i>Of course, people like Tanstaafl believe that Jews are behaving in such negative ways</i><br /><br />Attacking me, personally, for noticing the misbehavior of this very special minority validates the law.<br /><br />Hesperado continues:<br /><br /><i>-- indeed, in evil Macchiavellian ways calculated to control the world for evil ends -- but evidence for this outlandish charge is conspiracy-theorist and has an unsavory provenance (e.g., The Protocols of the Elders of Zion).</i><br /><br />Since my initial disagreement with Auster I have populated my website with evidence, much of which was reported in mainstream sources, documenting the misbehavior of various jews and jewish organizations. Were it not for the fear of being pathologized as "outlandish" and "unsavory" I think any normal member of "the majority" would consider the behavior of this "minority" wrong, not my view of it.<br /><br />As for conspiracy, I find it safe to say that jews openly organize more effectively than any other minority to pursue their collective interests.Tanstaaflhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10809764986911255031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post-51227087608301259392010-02-14T15:22:25.129+00:002010-02-14T15:22:25.129+00:00Don Marco Jawsario writes:
Jews are not intrinsic...Don Marco Jawsario writes:<br /><br /><i>Jews are not intrinsically anti-white or anti-Western, but rather history has helped to create the liberal Jew</i><br /><br />Sure let's talk history. The <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=jewish+golden+age" rel="nofollow">jewish golden age</a>, according to jews, was in muslim-occupied Spain. Europeans and jews have traditionally viewed jews as outsiders, an alien minority living amongst the native majority. Even after their emancipation this view persisted. Jews today regularly complain bitterly about how they were excluded from Ivy League universities and country clubs two generations ago. There is no better support for the majority view of jews as a serial misbehaving minority than the long list of European states from which jews have been expelled.<br /><br />Jews don't need to be "intrisically anti-White or anti-Western" for Auster's law to apply <i>today</i>. The law predicts that the apologia for them and attacks on their critics flow according to the degree to which they are hostile to the majority. The entire idea of punishing the majority to protect a minority traces ba<br />ck to jewish emancipation.Tanstaaflhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10809764986911255031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post-17400039030945613702010-02-14T15:21:48.459+00:002010-02-14T15:21:48.459+00:00Russel writes:
Just posting the link to what Aust...Russel writes:<br /><br /><i>Just posting the link to what Auster wrote outlining his views on why his rule about minorities didn't apply to Jews would be fine</i><br /><br />Regular Auster readers shouldn't have a problem reading the several thousand words I've already linked, especially since much of it was written by Auster. The second link above, <a href="http://age-of-treason.blogspot.com/2008/08/criticizing-auster.html" rel="nofollow">Criticizing Auster</a>, provides (and contrasts) two versions of Auster's initial argument. He apparently wrote both on the same day, and I have contrasted and critiqued both. Together with the other link I have gathered everything Auster had to say on the subject, much of it written before he was challenged and could change his defition to exclude jews.Tanstaaflhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10809764986911255031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post-32052371955658391782010-02-14T07:54:55.551+00:002010-02-14T07:54:55.551+00:00Danebo and Hesperado,
I lived most of last year i...Danebo and Hesperado,<br /><br />I lived most of last year in Spain and like in America “liberal” has two different meanings there. I find it handy however to use “liberal” the way the VFR blogsite uses it, as explained in the very <a href="http://caesartort.blogspot.com/2009/09/larry-auster.html" rel="nofollow">article</a> that backs up this one.Checharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07958061355210472570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post-73867479080364584512010-02-14T07:20:18.335+00:002010-02-14T07:20:18.335+00:00Hesperado, "liberal" may be labile, but ...Hesperado, "liberal" may be labile, but at least I know what it means, unlike "MC".Expatriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04933515302645658181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post-8474196381233557302010-02-13T22:12:24.728+00:002010-02-13T22:12:24.728+00:00As for Tanstaafl's assertion that Jews are the...As for Tanstaafl's assertion that Jews are the primary beneficiaries of "Auster's First Law", I think Tanstaafl is ignoring trends as well as behavioral data. <br /><br />On trends, it might be arguable that at one time, Jews were an important beneficiary of deference to minorities -- in the 40s and 50s, with an obvious referencing pivot being the Holocaust and the highly reasonable attitude radiating out from that, the "Never Again" attitude, enshrined not only in sociocultural opinions and psychological feelings, but also institutionally in politics and laws (particularly throughout Europe).<br /><br />However, by the 60s and 70s, a new group had replaced the Jews for the spotlight: blacks. And blacks rioting in various cities certainly helped along the process. Indeed, this brings up the second problem with Tanstaafl's assertion that Jews are the primary beneficiaries of "Auster's First Law" -- in order to be applicable, Jews would have to be behaving in negative ways that form half of the mechanism of Auster's First Law. Of course, people like Tanstaafl believe that Jews <i>are</i> behaving in such negative ways -- indeed, in evil Macchiavellian ways calculated to control the world for evil ends -- but evidence for this outlandish charge is conspiracy-theorist and has an unsavory provenance (e.g., <i>The Protocols of the Elders of Zion</i>). With blacks, however, for example, we do see Auster's mechanism at work: the more that blacks behave belligerently and/or savagely, the more that whites go into denial about it, for that negative data about blacks, if allowed into the mind in a rational way, would trigger negative feelings against blacks, and then perhaps negative actions, policies or laws. And it is these latter negativities which the PC MC (a term I prefer to Auster's wildly labile "liberal") must forever try to suppress, not only in society but in his own mind as well.<br /><br />Now, that said, there is another field of data Tanstaafl is failing to integrate -- the massive field of data that shows that in the past decade after 911, Muslims have supplanted the black for the spotlight of being the #1 Most Privileged Minority in the world.<br /><br />However, while Auster's Laws are great for descriptive purposes, they do not explain why or how one minority (Muslims) is able to elbow out another minority (blacks) -- let alone all other minorities on the planet. And the answer to that is relatively simple, and perhaps this can be appended to Auster's Laws as yet another corollary:<br /><br /><i>When a minority perpetrates and threatens to perpetrate more violence than other minorities; and when furthermore that minority is perceived to be able to deliver on those threats of violence more effectively than any other minorities -- then that most violent minority wins the privileged spot of becoming #1.</i><br /><br />Obviously, no other minority on Earth comes even close to qualifying for this ranking that Muslims have come to enjoy, now that they are seriously reviving their ancient imperative to terrorize non-Muslims in preparation for a renewal of the conquest of the world which they had to put on hold for the past 300-odd years due in great part to the astronomic superiority of the West combined with the West having maintained its rationality until only the past 50 years, during which time a suicidal PC MC has become dominant and mainstream.Hesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post-73025086677146871452010-02-13T16:28:14.064+00:002010-02-13T16:28:14.064+00:00OK Russel: this is the article that Auster linked ...OK Russel: this is the article that Auster linked at the end of his e-mail:<br /><br />"<a href="http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/009337.html" rel="nofollow">Does the First Law of Majority-Minority Relations apply to the Jews</a>?"Checharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07958061355210472570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post-25543743419840689972010-02-13T11:41:14.320+00:002010-02-13T11:41:14.320+00:00I disagree with Tanstaafl. Auster has levied some...I disagree with Tanstaafl. Auster has levied some very hard hitting criticisms against Jews. He acknowledges the role liberal Jews are playing in dismantling our civilization, but simply states that Jews are not intrinsically anti-white or anti-Western, but rather history has helped to create the liberal Jew.Don Marco Jawsariohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17997052710561717434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post-44078095837325453452010-02-13T08:43:42.161+00:002010-02-13T08:43:42.161+00:00Just posting the link to what Auster wrote outlini...Just posting the link to what Auster wrote outlining his views on why his rule about minorities didn't apply to Jews would be fine - that's what I didn't have time to check.<br /><br />I don't see what harm can come of further discussion here as long as you can control it if it turns into a flame war. <br /><br />I found the debate interesting and would be happy to read more of their exchanges here.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12775583719272089018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post-42256681202606662772010-02-13T05:10:50.445+00:002010-02-13T05:10:50.445+00:00No: he didn’t post anything. He did send me an e-m...No: he didn’t post anything. He did send me an e-mail and allowed me to publish it here. But then we thought that it could incite angry replies and we decided to remove it. I can re-add it if you wish but it makes me feel a little nervous. I dislike flame-wars and don’t like to be dragged into such a thing. But I still can repost it...Checharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07958061355210472570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post-7106680467739554102010-02-13T04:57:03.295+00:002010-02-13T04:57:03.295+00:00Didn't Auster post a reply here? What happened...Didn't Auster post a reply here? What happened to it? <br /><br />I wanted to read his perspective.<br /><br />That was an entertaining exchange.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12775583719272089018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post-31931096619448018672010-02-11T06:11:29.734+00:002010-02-11T06:11:29.734+00:00Hi T.
Along with the commenters' posts, you...Hi T. <br /><br />Along with the commenters' posts, your December 2007 article “Auster and anti-Semitism” has over 30,000 words (plus some interesting linked articles). <br /><br />Auster himself has a whole section about you in VFR (with yesterday as the most recent Tanstaafl article). Reading both sides would mean days of reading... <br /><br />But yes: his Law and Corollary are indeed a great abstract discovery. My dream is that after <a href="http://caesartort.blogspot.com/2009/12/must-read-book-chapter-11.html" rel="nofollow">The Crash</a> people will mention it frequently in the printed media.Checharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07958061355210472570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35605999.post-1631859369362754172010-02-11T05:02:57.657+00:002010-02-11T05:02:57.657+00:00I was similarly impressed by Auster's First La...I was similarly impressed by Auster's First Law. Then I realized it applied to jews. Auster didn't like that idea at all, and all his intelligence melted away when he tried to address it.<br /><br /><a href="http://age-of-treason.blogspot.com/2007/12/auster-and-anti-anti-semitism.html" rel="nofollow">Auster and Anti-Anti-Semitism</a> records my initial challenge and his response.<br /><br /><a href="http://age-of-treason.blogspot.com/2008/08/criticizing-auster.html" rel="nofollow">Criticizing Auster</a> reviews the issue some eight months later, after I had gathered quite a bit more evidence and confidence in my position.<br /><br />Auster's Law holds, even if in a way its author doesn't like. His inability to acknowledge this and his decision to instead treat me like some kind of monster does nothing but help prove my point. This quote, taken from the second link above, was Auster's position before my challenge (his emphasis):<br /><br /><i>As I look over your collection, it’s clear to me that there is but one Law, and it’s simply this: that the more difficult or dangerous a minority or non-Western group actually is, the more favorably it is treated. This </i>increasingly undeserved favorable treatment of an increasingly troublesome or misbehaving minority or non-Western group<i> can take numerous forms, including celebrating the group, giving the group greater rights and privileges, covering up the group’s crimes and dysfunctions, attacking the group’s critics as racists, and blaming the group’s bad behavior on white racism.</i><br /><br />My observation that this law applies best of all to jews caused Auster to attack me. Since then I have learned of and written about many jewish crimes and dysfunctions, and noted the favorable treatment of this troublesome and misbehaving minority.<br /><br />Auster himself has occasionally commented on jewish misbehavior. Given the topics he writes about it can hardly be avoided. He simply cannot abide the implications of his own law. He obviously values the law and uses it to support his argument for what he calls separationism. But the last thing he wants is for Whites to separate ourselves from jews. In his mind to even suggest this constitutes that most special form of racism against the most favored minority of all.Tanstaaflhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10809764986911255031noreply@blogger.com